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		<title>By: Rhiannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhiannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, first of all I agree with everything said about Evanovich.  She was once my favorite writer, but now I pick up the book for the ride and then forget about it moments later.  It&#039;s escape at work.  

Second, I love the DK metaphor.  I agree with Joey, I approve!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first of all I agree with everything said about Evanovich.  She was once my favorite writer, but now I pick up the book for the ride and then forget about it moments later.  It&#8217;s escape at work.  </p>
<p>Second, I love the DK metaphor.  I agree with Joey, I approve!</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I approve!  A million times I approve!  Glad to have another mind aboard.  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I approve!  A million times I approve!  Glad to have another mind aboard.  <img src='http://rjspindle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://rjspindle.com/2009/12/12/finger-lickin-fifteen/comment-page-1/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going outside the box for a moment, so if I don&#039;t make sense, it&#039;s not you.

Years and years ago, my cousin had  Donkey Kong Country on Super NES.  I don&#039;t remember much about the game, but I do remember there was this one level we could never seem to beat.  In it, Diddy and Donkey are in a mine cart, and as the cart rolled forward, there were these obstacles and gaps in the track you had to jump over.  Look, I even found it on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf9AQBmLJss&amp;feature=fvw

Anyway, for some obscure reason unrelated to Donkey Kong or SNES, I&#039;ve always imagined the road to writing a novel--and later, the fork that takes you to publication--as being a lot like that.  It&#039;s not a solid track from point A to point B.  There are obstacles and gaps that you have to jump over.  Sometimes they&#039;re little things you clear on the first try.  And sometimes they&#039;re bigger things that, even after years of practice and knowing to anticipate them, you still don&#039;t get right.  From reading your blog yesterday, and the post above, I get the feeling you&#039;ve come to a place where you&#039;ve jumped a gap and crossed a checkpoint, and that&#039;s really cool because now, even if you get tripped up on an abandoned mine cart or fall through a hole, you don&#039;t have to start at the very beginning.  You&#039;ll just come back to where you are here, now, and try again.

You&#039;re absolutely right that the worst that could happen is no one buys the book.  So what.  Write another one, a different one, a better one, and try again.  The important thing is what you got out of writing it--the experience, the bond between you and your writing partner, and the mental high that comes from using your imagination.  Whether it sells or not won&#039;t take any of those things away from you.  The same can&#039;t be said for those people who write because they want fame and glory and money and bestseller lists and movie options... Wanting those things is fine, don&#039;t get me wrong, but if it&#039;s your only motivator (and I know tons of people for whom it IS their only motivator), you&#039;ll end up bitter and disappointed (I know tons of these people, too).  

As for my blawg, I gave it up when I started working 60 hours a week.  I kind of miss it, and am kind of intimidated at starting another one.  I think it&#039;s something I want to get back into in 2010, but I want to have a good idea of what I want to do with it before I go creating one all willy-nilly.  But don&#039;t worry.  I&#039;ll probably be stalking y&#039;all for a while. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going outside the box for a moment, so if I don&#8217;t make sense, it&#8217;s not you.</p>
<p>Years and years ago, my cousin had  Donkey Kong Country on Super NES.  I don&#8217;t remember much about the game, but I do remember there was this one level we could never seem to beat.  In it, Diddy and Donkey are in a mine cart, and as the cart rolled forward, there were these obstacles and gaps in the track you had to jump over.  Look, I even found it on YouTube:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf9AQBmLJss&amp;feature=fvw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf9AQBmLJss&amp;feature=fvw</a></p>
<p>Anyway, for some obscure reason unrelated to Donkey Kong or SNES, I&#8217;ve always imagined the road to writing a novel&#8211;and later, the fork that takes you to publication&#8211;as being a lot like that.  It&#8217;s not a solid track from point A to point B.  There are obstacles and gaps that you have to jump over.  Sometimes they&#8217;re little things you clear on the first try.  And sometimes they&#8217;re bigger things that, even after years of practice and knowing to anticipate them, you still don&#8217;t get right.  From reading your blog yesterday, and the post above, I get the feeling you&#8217;ve come to a place where you&#8217;ve jumped a gap and crossed a checkpoint, and that&#8217;s really cool because now, even if you get tripped up on an abandoned mine cart or fall through a hole, you don&#8217;t have to start at the very beginning.  You&#8217;ll just come back to where you are here, now, and try again.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right that the worst that could happen is no one buys the book.  So what.  Write another one, a different one, a better one, and try again.  The important thing is what you got out of writing it&#8211;the experience, the bond between you and your writing partner, and the mental high that comes from using your imagination.  Whether it sells or not won&#8217;t take any of those things away from you.  The same can&#8217;t be said for those people who write because they want fame and glory and money and bestseller lists and movie options&#8230; Wanting those things is fine, don&#8217;t get me wrong, but if it&#8217;s your only motivator (and I know tons of people for whom it IS their only motivator), you&#8217;ll end up bitter and disappointed (I know tons of these people, too).  </p>
<p>As for my blawg, I gave it up when I started working 60 hours a week.  I kind of miss it, and am kind of intimidated at starting another one.  I think it&#8217;s something I want to get back into in 2010, but I want to have a good idea of what I want to do with it before I go creating one all willy-nilly.  But don&#8217;t worry.  I&#8217;ll probably be stalking y&#8217;all for a while. <img src='http://rjspindle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joeysan</title>
		<link>http://rjspindle.com/2009/12/12/finger-lickin-fifteen/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Joeysan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our modus operandi is to have fun with our writing.  We have been fans of books and stories most of our lives, and getting the chance to be the creators of them is a dream come true for both of us.  It&#039;s been a journey of self-discovery for both of us, and--we readily admit--it&#039;s tough at times.  However, we are determined to be our own biggest fans.

Sometimes I think our greatest advantage is that there are two minds to R. J. Spindle.  We bounce ideas off each other.  The good ones stick and find their way into the story.  The not so good ones get discussed and dropped.  We&#039;ve done a smart thing in saving everything: AIM conversations, emails, and hundreds of typed pages of notes.

The worst that can happen to us is every publisher in the world turns us down, and our books never go anywhere other than our families eyes.  This isn&#039;t a huge fear of ours though.  Walk into any grocery store and there&#039;s a myriad of &quot;trash fiction&quot; lining shelves near the cash register.  If stuff like that finds it&#039;s way into print, and some make pretty good livings off writing such stories, then we&#039;ll surely be published.

Seriously, the past year in writing has been one of the most transformative for me.  Rhiannon and I have been able to explore our friendship in this book.  We&#039;ve gotten to answer the question: &quot;What if we grew up together?  What if things were always like they are now?&quot;  We&#039;re effectively rewriting our past--which is something not many people (even writers) get a chance to do.  We&#039;ve faced a lot of fears with our characters, knowing full well they are braver versions of ourselves, but their experiences have helped us nonetheless.  Most importantly, though, we&#039;re addicted to imagination ... and we want to pass that on to whoever comes after us.  That, and writing books are the only way I&#039;m ever going to get my mother to read one. :-)

By-the-by, what&#039;s your blog?  Mayhaps we can keep in touch.  It&#039;s good to know there&#039;s another appreciator of the process out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our modus operandi is to have fun with our writing.  We have been fans of books and stories most of our lives, and getting the chance to be the creators of them is a dream come true for both of us.  It&#8217;s been a journey of self-discovery for both of us, and&#8211;we readily admit&#8211;it&#8217;s tough at times.  However, we are determined to be our own biggest fans.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think our greatest advantage is that there are two minds to R. J. Spindle.  We bounce ideas off each other.  The good ones stick and find their way into the story.  The not so good ones get discussed and dropped.  We&#8217;ve done a smart thing in saving everything: AIM conversations, emails, and hundreds of typed pages of notes.</p>
<p>The worst that can happen to us is every publisher in the world turns us down, and our books never go anywhere other than our families eyes.  This isn&#8217;t a huge fear of ours though.  Walk into any grocery store and there&#8217;s a myriad of &#8220;trash fiction&#8221; lining shelves near the cash register.  If stuff like that finds it&#8217;s way into print, and some make pretty good livings off writing such stories, then we&#8217;ll surely be published.</p>
<p>Seriously, the past year in writing has been one of the most transformative for me.  Rhiannon and I have been able to explore our friendship in this book.  We&#8217;ve gotten to answer the question: &#8220;What if we grew up together?  What if things were always like they are now?&#8221;  We&#8217;re effectively rewriting our past&#8211;which is something not many people (even writers) get a chance to do.  We&#8217;ve faced a lot of fears with our characters, knowing full well they are braver versions of ourselves, but their experiences have helped us nonetheless.  Most importantly, though, we&#8217;re addicted to imagination &#8230; and we want to pass that on to whoever comes after us.  That, and writing books are the only way I&#8217;m ever going to get my mother to read one. <img src='http://rjspindle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>By-the-by, what&#8217;s your blog?  Mayhaps we can keep in touch.  It&#8217;s good to know there&#8217;s another appreciator of the process out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://rjspindle.com/2009/12/12/finger-lickin-fifteen/comment-page-1/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>500,000 words is overkill.  Admirable overkill, but still overkill.  Though I guess I could do it if I counted blog posts, blog comments, email, work stuff, instant messages, grocery lists, lorem ipsum, etc.  Then again, maybe not.  That&#039;s still 17,000 words a day, give or take, and even though I&#039;m only 27, I doubt my wrists were made for that kind of work.

It&#039;s refreshing to hear someone say they love writing.  Too often the world of publishing sucks the fun out of the world of writing and people become so obsessed with writing &quot;what sells&quot; and &quot;what is publishable&quot; that they forget to write what they love.  Then writing becomes a chore, the whole world is against them, and no one has suffered like they have suffered.  It&#039;s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy in and of itself, when you think about it, because a book that&#039;s a chore to write is often a chore to read, and who wants to read a book that takes work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>500,000 words is overkill.  Admirable overkill, but still overkill.  Though I guess I could do it if I counted blog posts, blog comments, email, work stuff, instant messages, grocery lists, lorem ipsum, etc.  Then again, maybe not.  That&#8217;s still 17,000 words a day, give or take, and even though I&#8217;m only 27, I doubt my wrists were made for that kind of work.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s refreshing to hear someone say they love writing.  Too often the world of publishing sucks the fun out of the world of writing and people become so obsessed with writing &#8220;what sells&#8221; and &#8220;what is publishable&#8221; that they forget to write what they love.  Then writing becomes a chore, the whole world is against them, and no one has suffered like they have suffered.  It&#8217;s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy in and of itself, when you think about it, because a book that&#8217;s a chore to write is often a chore to read, and who wants to read a book that takes work?</p>
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		<title>By: Joeysan</title>
		<link>http://rjspindle.com/2009/12/12/finger-lickin-fifteen/comment-page-1/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Joeysan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We really love to write, and we really love our story.  It&#039;s very much based on our lives, and we took a lot of time getting to know our characters, researching our plot, and discussing how the story was going to be told.

When the writing gets fun (and it was fun in November) it&#039;s really easy to write.  The characters do most of the work.  My only job as author is to make sure that the plot works.  Rory, Ray and Brian (my leads) make all the &quot;important&quot; decisions.  Giving over control of the novel to them was the best choice we ever made ... especially since they are, essentially, us.

I&#039;m glad you read about WriMo.  It&#039;s one of my favorite times of the year.  Not only do I get to write alongside a great partner, but I have the whole world fighting the good fight with me.

If you think 80,000 words in a month is intense, LAST November I saw a participant max out at 500,000 words ... with no intention to publish--ever!  Now there is pure insanity/inspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really love to write, and we really love our story.  It&#8217;s very much based on our lives, and we took a lot of time getting to know our characters, researching our plot, and discussing how the story was going to be told.</p>
<p>When the writing gets fun (and it was fun in November) it&#8217;s really easy to write.  The characters do most of the work.  My only job as author is to make sure that the plot works.  Rory, Ray and Brian (my leads) make all the &#8220;important&#8221; decisions.  Giving over control of the novel to them was the best choice we ever made &#8230; especially since they are, essentially, us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you read about WriMo.  It&#8217;s one of my favorite times of the year.  Not only do I get to write alongside a great partner, but I have the whole world fighting the good fight with me.</p>
<p>If you think 80,000 words in a month is intense, LAST November I saw a participant max out at 500,000 words &#8230; with no intention to publish&#8211;ever!  Now there is pure insanity/inspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://rjspindle.com/2009/12/12/finger-lickin-fifteen/comment-page-1/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You nailed it.  She&#039;s been caught writing a revisionist history, and as a reader, it&#039;s kind of impacted not only her most recent books for me, but the ones I loved, too.  It&#039;s like watching season 4 of Angel.  Or season 6 of Gilmore Girls.  There&#039;s all this set-up, all this anticipation, and then, right when it&#039;s getting good, someone has the brilliant idea to undermine the whole thing and say, &quot;All I told you in the past is crap.  This is the new truth, not because it makes sense, but because I say so.  And you&#039;re my reader/watcher, so you have to do as I say.&quot;  It&#039;s really sad, because I used to love these books, humping dogs and all.

But enough of that negativity stuff.  I spent the better part of the morning reading about your NaNo experience.  80K words in a month?  Do y&#039;all run on Energizer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You nailed it.  She&#8217;s been caught writing a revisionist history, and as a reader, it&#8217;s kind of impacted not only her most recent books for me, but the ones I loved, too.  It&#8217;s like watching season 4 of Angel.  Or season 6 of Gilmore Girls.  There&#8217;s all this set-up, all this anticipation, and then, right when it&#8217;s getting good, someone has the brilliant idea to undermine the whole thing and say, &#8220;All I told you in the past is crap.  This is the new truth, not because it makes sense, but because I say so.  And you&#8217;re my reader/watcher, so you have to do as I say.&#8221;  It&#8217;s really sad, because I used to love these books, humping dogs and all.</p>
<p>But enough of that negativity stuff.  I spent the better part of the morning reading about your NaNo experience.  80K words in a month?  Do y&#8217;all run on Energizer?</p>
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		<title>By: Joeysan</title>
		<link>http://rjspindle.com/2009/12/12/finger-lickin-fifteen/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Joeysan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could go with that.  I&#039;m pretty easy to please as a reader.  I let the author do whatever they want as long as it&#039;s plausible for their story.  In the first few chapters of any book you don&#039;t only get introductions to characters, you get the &quot;rules&quot; of the world of the realm the book takes place in ... she&#039;s breaking all her rules left and right ... setting us up, then letting everything fall to pieces.

P.S. My other half might hate this discussion.  She&#039;s the reason I read Ms. Evanovich.  Maybe (somehow) the author will read this and give us something great next time around.  I&#039;m totally on her side.  She&#039;s given us great things in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could go with that.  I&#8217;m pretty easy to please as a reader.  I let the author do whatever they want as long as it&#8217;s plausible for their story.  In the first few chapters of any book you don&#8217;t only get introductions to characters, you get the &#8220;rules&#8221; of the world of the realm the book takes place in &#8230; she&#8217;s breaking all her rules left and right &#8230; setting us up, then letting everything fall to pieces.</p>
<p>P.S. My other half might hate this discussion.  She&#8217;s the reason I read Ms. Evanovich.  Maybe (somehow) the author will read this and give us something great next time around.  I&#8217;m totally on her side.  She&#8217;s given us great things in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://rjspindle.com/2009/12/12/finger-lickin-fifteen/comment-page-1/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read Plum Spooky, and it was... eh, it was okay.  There were some good scenes, but it was mostly stupid slapstick done better in other books.  Take the monkey from 14, give him a gameboy and a dozen monkey friends, add that together with the absurdity of the other &quot;between the novels&quot; books, have Ranger save the day a few times while Morelli acts like a jerk in the background, and there you have it.  If you want to read it, go ahead, but I would strongly urge you not to BUY it, unless you can get it used for a couple of bucks.  It has a better plot than 14 or 15, but still meanders at a snail&#039;s pace.  I think I gave it a C-.

I SO agree with you that Evanovich signed a contract with the readers, and when it comes to the Ranger/Morelli debate, I feel as though she signed two conflicting contracts and now has no intention of honoring either of them for fear it might affect her bottom line.  Seeing as how her last two numbered books have fallen below their projected sales, I guess she&#039;s probably right.  But then, I stopped buying them because of the sloppy writing, non-existent plots, and (I gag as I write this) excessive use of fart jokes.

As for the Stephanie just marrying Morelli already thing... Maybe I&#039;m in the minority, but I just don&#039;t buy that relationship as a good one.  It&#039;s too one-sided, and Morelli often comes across as a huge arse.  Even their history--which seems to be a huge selling point among the pro-Morelli folk--is degrading, when you consider the only history they had was a one night stand that he boasted about and she got in trouble for.  The way I see it, Evanovich has had ample time--15 years--to flesh out his character, give it some depth, and make him not a pig.  Instead, she just makes him worse every year.  While I agree with you that she needs to either fish or move away from the pond, I&#039;d much rather she move away from the pond and get back to defining Stephanie as a character independent of her love interests, instead of trying to shove her into the mold of someone&#039;s wife or girlfriend.  If she marries Morelli, we&#039;ll never really get to know who Stephanie Plum is, and that&#039;s been my biggest nitpick of the last two books--that there wasn&#039;t enough Stephanie.  She was just sort of going through the motions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read Plum Spooky, and it was&#8230; eh, it was okay.  There were some good scenes, but it was mostly stupid slapstick done better in other books.  Take the monkey from 14, give him a gameboy and a dozen monkey friends, add that together with the absurdity of the other &#8220;between the novels&#8221; books, have Ranger save the day a few times while Morelli acts like a jerk in the background, and there you have it.  If you want to read it, go ahead, but I would strongly urge you not to BUY it, unless you can get it used for a couple of bucks.  It has a better plot than 14 or 15, but still meanders at a snail&#8217;s pace.  I think I gave it a C-.</p>
<p>I SO agree with you that Evanovich signed a contract with the readers, and when it comes to the Ranger/Morelli debate, I feel as though she signed two conflicting contracts and now has no intention of honoring either of them for fear it might affect her bottom line.  Seeing as how her last two numbered books have fallen below their projected sales, I guess she&#8217;s probably right.  But then, I stopped buying them because of the sloppy writing, non-existent plots, and (I gag as I write this) excessive use of fart jokes.</p>
<p>As for the Stephanie just marrying Morelli already thing&#8230; Maybe I&#8217;m in the minority, but I just don&#8217;t buy that relationship as a good one.  It&#8217;s too one-sided, and Morelli often comes across as a huge arse.  Even their history&#8211;which seems to be a huge selling point among the pro-Morelli folk&#8211;is degrading, when you consider the only history they had was a one night stand that he boasted about and she got in trouble for.  The way I see it, Evanovich has had ample time&#8211;15 years&#8211;to flesh out his character, give it some depth, and make him not a pig.  Instead, she just makes him worse every year.  While I agree with you that she needs to either fish or move away from the pond, I&#8217;d much rather she move away from the pond and get back to defining Stephanie as a character independent of her love interests, instead of trying to shove her into the mold of someone&#8217;s wife or girlfriend.  If she marries Morelli, we&#8217;ll never really get to know who Stephanie Plum is, and that&#8217;s been my biggest nitpick of the last two books&#8211;that there wasn&#8217;t enough Stephanie.  She was just sort of going through the motions.</p>
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		<title>By: Joeysan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joeysan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comment!  I&#039;d be happy with Stephanie married or without.  However, there is a contract made with a reader and writer in first few chapters of every book, and if the reader continues it&#039;s the writer&#039;s job to fulfill that contract.  Ms. Evanovich set us up for SO much in this book and didn&#039;t deliver hardly anything.  It makes me sad.

Have you read &quot;Plum Spooky?&quot;  I SO want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comment!  I&#8217;d be happy with Stephanie married or without.  However, there is a contract made with a reader and writer in first few chapters of every book, and if the reader continues it&#8217;s the writer&#8217;s job to fulfill that contract.  Ms. Evanovich set us up for SO much in this book and didn&#8217;t deliver hardly anything.  It makes me sad.</p>
<p>Have you read &#8220;Plum Spooky?&#8221;  I SO want to.</p>
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